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	Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-5-22 @ 09:33 pm
rcblanke Pisces swimeatus Joined: 2005-04-01 Posts: 1125 Location: Round 42	Hi everybody, I've been testing a lot of booter games from Retrograde Station http://retrograde.trustno1.org the last couple of days, and thought it might be usefull to let the DosBox developers know where the most important remaining problems are. As you can see, dosbox 0.65 already fully supports most of the booters offered at Retrograde Station. Great work people! I've attached the original Excel sheet for convenience. I hope the main developers can use my list to their advantage! Some extra information: All these games use the following basic DOSBox settings in order to get them to run: core=normal machine=cga (a few games run in ega, thus using machine=vga, or tandy) cycles=350 (some needed a small raise to +/-750) xms=false ems=false umb=false no audio, except for internal speaker What's more, a couple of PCJr games seem to work correctly in 0.65 as well! CVS currently has Pinball Construction Set fixed. Regards, Ronald Flopper DosBox 0.63 DosBox 0.65 Activision Ghostbusters ok Hangs while booting ok (strangely slow, though) Hacker 2 ok ok ok Mindshadow ok ok ok Portal ok ok ok Tass times in Tonetown ok Crashes when loading ok Atari Battlezone ok ok ok Centipede ok ok ok Defender ok Crashes upon start of game, right after introscreen ok Dig Dug ok ok ok Donkey Kong ok ok ok Galaxian ok ok ok Jungle Hunt Crashes when loading (on non-CGA only?) Hangs at start (using 100% cpu) Shows introscreen, then hangs on exception Moon Patrol Works, crashes when playing. ok ok Ms Pacman ok ok ok Pacman ok ok ok Robotron 2084 ok ok ok Bally Midway Spy Hunter ok ok (incorrect scrolling at high speed, though) ok (incorrect scrolling at high speed, though) Tapper ok ok ok Broderbund Software Apple Panic ok ok ok Championship Lode Runner by Broderbund ok ok ok Loderunner by Broderbund ok ok ok Serpentine ok ok ok Data East / SNK / Quicksilver Commando ok ok ok Guerilla War ok ok ok Ikari Warriors Works, with certain reservations. Hangs while booting ok Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road ok ok ok Karnov ok ok ok Lock-On ok ok ok Tag Team Wrestling ok ok ok Dinamic Game Over ok ok ok Game Over 2 ok ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) Narco Police ok, but can't change to disk 2 ok ok Phantis ok ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) Satan CGA ok ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) Satan EGA ok ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) Electronic Arts Archon ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter ok Boulder Dash 1 & 2 ok ok ok Hard Hat Mack ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter ok Julius Erwing and Larry Bird Go One-on-One ok Hangs while booting ok Marble Madnes Works, keyboard locked when playing Hangs while booting, showing "0004:GG" ok Murder on the Zinderneuf ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter ok Music Construction Set ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter Crashes after opening screen Pinball Construction Set ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter Crashes after opening screen Seven Cities of Gold ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter ok Mind Mirror ok Complains about missing IBM Color/graphics adapter ok Epyx Jumpman ok ok ok Pitstop 2 ok ok ok Spiderbot Works, crashes on F12 ok ok Summer Games 2 ok crashes right after introscreen ok The World's Greatest Baseball Game ok ok ok Winter Games ok Hangs while booting ok World Games ok crashes right after introscreen ok World Karate Championship ok Game halts after introscreen, screen remains black ok Funtastic Big Top ok ok ok Cosmic Crusader ok ok ok Space Strike ok ok ok IBM 3-K Trivia ok ok ok Alley Cat ok ok ok PC Pool Challenges ok ok ok Shamus ok ok Hangs while booting Trivia 101 ok Hangs while booting ok TV and Cinema 101 ok Hangs while booting ok Touchdown Football n/a Crashes when loading Crashes when loading.displaying 'TD' Zyll ok ok ok Infocom Cutthroats ok ok ok Deadline ok ok ok Enchanter ok ok ok The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy ok ok ok Planetfall ok ok ok Seastalker ok ok ok Suspended ok ok ok The wittness ok ok ok Zork 1 ok ok ok Zork 2 ok ok ok Zork 3 ok ok ok Gamma Force: The Pit of a Thousand Screams ok ok ok Lane Mastodon vs the Blubbermen ok ok ok Zork Quest 1 ok ok ok Zork Quest 2 ok ok ok Mastertronic Demon's Forge Bad file name on title screen Crashes when loading ok (graphics mixed-up in cga, tandy ok) Five-a-side indoor soccer ok ok ok Kobayashi Naru ok ok ok Metropolis Crashes when loading Hangs at opening screen ok Prowler ok ok ok Rasterscan Works, crashes on F12 ok ok Storm ok ok ok The Slugger ok ok ok Trilogy ok ok ok Microprose Conflict in Vietnam ok ok ok Crusade in Europe ok ok ok F-15 Strike Eagle CGA ok ok ok F-15 Strike Eagle EGA ok ok ok Hellcat Ace ok ok ok Pirates! Disk IO Error 45 ok ok Silent Service ok ok ok Solo Flight ok ok ok Spitfire Ace ok ok ok Microsoft Series Microsoft Adventure ok The first 3 characters are cut off ok Microsoft Decathlon ok ok ok Microsoft Flightsimulator 1.05 Crashes after choosing graphics, cga only hangs after a couple of seconds hangs even faster Microsoft Flightsimulator 2.13 ok ok ok Operasoft Goody ok ok ok The Last Mission Crashes after 5 seconds of play Crashes after 5 seconds of play ok Livingstone 2 CGA works, EGA/VGA crashes on title screen ok ok Orion Software J-Bird ok Crashes when loading, garbled screen ok Paratrooper ok ok ok PC-Man Works, no sound ok ok Sega Buck Rogers: Planet of Zoom ok ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) ok (use numeric keypad, joystick freezes game) Congo Bongo ok ok ok Frogger Works, crashes on ESC in Chooser ok ok Frogger 2 ok ok ok Zaxxon ok ok ok Sierra Adventure in Serenia ok ok ok BC's Quest for Tires ok ok ok The Black Cauldron Loading works until diskchange, but no further. ok ok Donald Duck's Playground ok ok ok KQ1 ibm ok ibm ok and tandy ok too ibm ok and tandy ok too KQ2 Loading works until diskchange ok ok Mineshaft ok ok ok Oilswell ok ok ok Championship Boxing ok ok ok Troll's Tale ok ok ok Ulysses and the Golden Fleece Crashes ok ok Sir-Tech Wizardry (original) Checks real drive B:, crashes big time... Halts showing the message: cant find system disk ok Wiz 1 ok ok ok Wiz 2 ok ok ok Wiz 3 ok ok ok Wiz 4 ok ok ok Wiz 5 ok ok ok Windmill Software Conquest ok ok ok Digger ok, cga only? ok ok Rollo and the Brush Bros ok ok ok Styx ok, cga only ok ok Odds, Ends and Other Rarities Dunzhin: Warrior of Ras Vol.I by CAU ok ok ok Czorian Siege by CAU ok ok ok Fleet Sweep by Mirror Images Software ok ok ok Freddy Fish by Mirror Images Software ok ok ok Montezuma's Revenge by Parker Brothers ok ok ok Agent USA ok ok ok Below the Root ok ok ok Defender of the Crown EGA ok (cannot swap disks for ega, cga ok) ok ok Cyborg ok ok ok I, Damiano ok Hangs while booting, showing "Da" ok PCJr Cartridge Basic Hangs while booting Crossfire ok Exploring the IBM PCjr v1.1 Displays "Wrong computer." IBM PCjr Colorpaint ok King's Quest 1 ok Lotus 1-2-3 Crashes with 'Illegal Call 7' Mineshaft ok Mouser ok ScubaVenture ok Touchdown Football ok Last edited by rcblanke on 2006-4-25 @ 10:30 pm; edited 12 times in total booters.xls (31kB) - Downloaded 1209 Time(s) original list booters.zip (4.28kB) - Downloaded 1382 Time(s) XML export of the booter list

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-10-03 @ 01:28 am
SirGraham Newbie Joined: 2005-09-30 Posts: 70	is there a possiblity to make a two-drive boot? What I mean is, boot an image from drive A: while also having a differnt image in drive B:. The problem is, if Ctrl-F4 is used to switch between images in drive A:, you'll need a different key to switch the images in drive B:. And on a different subject, I hope you won't mind: I read in Vintage Sierra (http://www.vintage-sierra.com/kq/kq3v1.html) that KQ3 had a booter version. Everyone knows about the KQ1 and KQ2 (and The Black Causldron) booters, but that's the only place I heard about a KQ3 booter. Is it a mistake?

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-10-03 @ 07:34 am
Qbix DOSBox Author Joined: 2002-11-27 Posts: 9405 Location: Fryslan	well in the cvs: if you have 2 images selected it becomes drive A and drive B ctrl-f4 in that case wll probably swap A and B around 2 different ques with images.... Do you have any game that requires this setup ? _________________ Water flows down the stream How to ask questions the smart way!

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-10-03 @ 12:49 pm
SirGraham Newbie Joined: 2005-09-30 Posts: 70	I don't have any game that actually requires this setup, but in KQ2 and Black Cauldron you can put your game disk in drive B: instead of swapping between the game disk and the save disk on drive A:. However, you also must have the option to switch disks in drive A: in KQ2, because the booter requests for disk2 during loading and it will not accept it on drive B:. Note: If KQ2 identifies a machine with two disk drive (like under MESS, for example), it will not let you save to drive A:.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-10-03 @ 01:01 pm
Qbix DOSBox Author Joined: 2002-11-27 Posts: 9405 Location: Fryslan	kq2 you are right about that. however it works as you swap around all disks with the ctrl-f4 combination (both A and B (and other floppies: otherfloppy -> B B->A A->Otherfloppy) _________________ Water flows down the stream How to ask questions the smart way!

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2005-10-04 @ 09:39 pm
SirGraham Newbie Joined: 2005-09-30 Posts: 70	Well, DOSBox apparently does not emulate a 2-drive system (A: and B:) when loading booters. I tested it with KQ2, it asks the save disk to be inserted to drive A:, and it does that only on single-disk systems. I found some more booter issues with DOSBox 0.63. First, why can't DOSBox boot a read-only image file? It can be important for KQ1, for example, because it'll prevent you from accidentally saving games on the game disk and thus corrupting the image! It does work with MESS, by the way. And since Sierra booters require a special save disk to be created from within the game, I decided to test how this feature work under DOSBox. I tested KQ1 (you type "copy disk") and KQ2 (you type "init disk" or "format disk") and it doesn't work at all. So, unless you prepare an image of a save disk yourself, and use it under DOSBox, you want be able to save your game. Last edited by SirGraham on 2005-10-04 @ 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2007-7-03 @ 01:11 am
DosFreak Freaky Ram Thing Joined: 2002-06-30 Posts: 8338 Location: Your Head	Q: What are "Booter" games? A: Games made in the early 80's for x86 machines that can be played simply by inserting the floppy, booting off of it and playing your game. 8-11-2005 Buck Rogers reported as not working 8-25-2005 Buck Rogers reported as working stacksegement was set to 112 previously instead of 0. Game loads data on 110 via int13 at the iret it crashes (as the stack was overwritten) Set all segments to 0 and the game is now working. 8-25-2005 Demon's Forge works in Tandy but not in CGA (Misdetects a tandy PC when machine=cga, needs dma status register to support terminal count info for channel 2) 8-25-2005 Jungle Hunt can be booted but keyboard commands F1 and F2 do not work. (hangs on exception , overflow on division) requires certain values for light pen port 3d4/5 indel 10/11, needs int1c at 0xf000:ff53 9-1-2005 Trivia 101 IBM reported as fixed. 9-1-2005 Ikari Warriors can now reginize a: and b: (Just press Enter when asked, no need to swap disks) 9-28-2005 Ms Pacman broken as of Sept 19 2005. Fixed September 28th. 11-25-2005 Metropolis reported as fixed. (bug in int13 handling when reading 0 sectors) 1-15-2006 IBM Strategy Games (requires BASIC). When booted it displays: "A>basica intro" Bad command or file name Game may require basica Game does not work with GWBASIC 4-25-2006 Shamus IBM reported as not working (worked fine in 0.63). Reported as working 4-25-2006. 4-25-2006 Electronic Arts Music Construction set reported as working as of 4-26-2006 (Problem was overwriting of previous callback area) 6-17-2007 CVS updated to allow read-only images to be booted. (Affected Cutthroats). Reported as working fine in 0.65. 5-12-2007 Julius Erwing and Larry Bird Go One-on-One Keyboard commands work in the menu but not in game. Joystick seems to work. Also the computer play never tries to shoot a ball, computer players just moved around. Microsoft Decathlon Serenia Ultima 2 Ultima 3 Ulysses Supports CGA composite color graphics but DosBox cannot display them. NewRisingSun is working on a patch. http://www.queststudios.com/forum/viewt...p;start=50 Wish List Make it so that Tandy/CGA/PCJR games run under VGA can switch to video modes correctly without having to manually change dosbox.conf. Allow user to provide the IBM Cassette BASIC ROM to DosBox. (DosBox devs are not fond of needing roms to get the games to work. A patched BASICA with the ROM encapsulated in the executable would be better.....legality? Boot a booter image automagically in DosBox when you drag and drop (or give parameter). Just for booting, not for mounting. Last edited by DosFreak on 2007-7-28 @ 01:58 am; edited 1 time in total _________________ Game Acronym List DosBox CVS Builds DosBox Feature Request Thread DosBox FAQ PC Game Compatibility List DOSBox Video Tutorial Quote: John Bender: Without lamps there'd be no light.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2007-7-03 @ 05:33 pm
Qbix DOSBox Author Joined: 2002-11-27 Posts: 9405 Location: Fryslan	Quote: Boot a booter image automagically in DosBox when you drag and drop (or give parameter). Done. Offcourse you still have to set cga mode and cycles and such yourself using the configfile. _________________ Water flows down the stream How to ask questions the smart way!

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2007-7-28 @ 01:59 am
DosFreak Freaky Ram Thing Joined: 2002-06-30 Posts: 8338 Location: Your Head	Thread cleanup. Need to integrate posts above into first post. _________________ Game Acronym List DosBox CVS Builds DosBox Feature Request Thread DosBox FAQ PC Game Compatibility List DOSBox Video Tutorial Quote: John Bender: Without lamps there'd be no light.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-7-06 @ 08:18 pm
robertmo l33t Joined: 2003-06-18 Posts: 3808	Touchdown Football works with machine=pcjr well.. retrograde.trustno1.org says "(PCjr only)" so not really a discovery.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-7-06 @ 09:07 pm
wd DOSBox Author Joined: 2003-12-03 Posts: 10817	Touchdown Football is definitely PCjr only and it works for a long time in dosbox.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 03:59 am
Great Hierophant Oldbie Joined: 2003-04-27 Posts: 1365	I am pleased to report that Jungle Hunt works reasonably well in the latest CVS. However, I had to keep cycles above 300 on normal core so it wouldn't crash initially. 300 cycles is too fast, so if you lower them while playing the game and restart you should be fine. Also, the palette change will not occur in the proper place, regardless of speed. Shame that Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.05 is still not working correctly.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 05:45 am
Qbix DOSBox Author Joined: 2002-11-27 Posts: 9405 Location: Fryslan	MFS 1.05 has been debugged by peterferrie and it only works on a 8088 emulation wise. (as that one has a bug which the game (accidently?) uses. We used to share the bug as does some other cpu emulators. Ironically we fixed the bug when fixing another flight sim of MS. _________________ Water flows down the stream How to ask questions the smart way!

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 06:09 am
wd DOSBox Author Joined: 2003-12-03 Posts: 10817	Quote: Shame that Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.05 is still not working correctly. Why is this a shame?

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 01:17 pm
robertmo l33t Joined: 2003-06-18 Posts: 3808	wd wrote: Quote: Shame that Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.05 is still not working correctly. Why is this a shame? I think it doesn't mean like "shame on you" but rather "I wish it worked" although my dictionary doesn't have a second meaning I was also wondering this every time GH used it so maybe a native speaker could enlight us

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 01:58 pm
Qbix DOSBox Author Joined: 2002-11-27 Posts: 9405 Location: Fryslan	words like "it's a shame" or "dosbox should" are always great reasons to not implement or fix things. Weird, but true _________________ Water flows down the stream How to ask questions the smart way!

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 02:19 pm
Great Hierophant Oldbie Joined: 2003-04-27 Posts: 1365	The only reason why I call it a "shame" is because FS was considered the acid test of IBM PC compatibility back in the day. At least we know why it doesn't work. "I wish it worked" - That was the sense I meant it.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 02:31 pm
wd DOSBox Author Joined: 2003-12-03 Posts: 10817	"I wish it worked" usually gets a response that points to the dosbox sources and the capability of sourceforge to publish patches.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 09:00 pm
peterferrie DOS Boss Joined: 2008-05-08 Posts: 422	I've placed a fix on my site, which seems to work. The problem is the different hardware behaviour between 8088 and 8086+ CPUs. This can't be fixed in DOSBox, because too many other things will break.

	Re: Booter games compatibility overview :: 2009-9-02 @ 10:40 pm
robertmo l33t Joined: 2003-06-18 Posts: 3808	peterferrie wrote: The problem is the different hardware behaviour between 8088 and 8086+ CPUs. This can't be fixed in DOSBox, because too many other things will break. It can be fixed by cputype=8088

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