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	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-19 @ 11:03 am
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1988 Location: Greece	@feipoa: I can only get one from eBay and I see they are on the 50+ eur area which I am not prepared to pay .... _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-19 @ 10:13 pm
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	If my memory doesn't deceive me, it seems like I saw a 486DLC on cpu-world within the past few months for less than $15. I've also noticed that a lot of cpu-world sellers don't always list what they have for sale, so you may try messaging a few of them. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-19 @ 10:28 pm
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1988 Location: Greece	^ where is this place/forum/sellers? _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-19 @ 11:15 pm
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/ You'll want to look in: For Sale/Trade (collectable items) For Sale (auctions and auction links for collectable items) I've also PM'ed you the name of a seller who has one for sale. Last edited by feipoa on 2012-4-19 @ 11:49 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-19 @ 11:24 pm
sliderider l33t Joined: 2010-06-25 Posts: 3335	You can try lzf70000 on ebay.He manages to get a lot of hard to find stuff from China. I seriously doubt that he has every last piece in his collection listed every day. _________________ A computer once beat me at chess but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-21 @ 12:10 am
Seaside Newbie Joined: 2010-05-31 Posts: 32 Location: Athens,GREECE	Why the stats are so bad when FPU is installed ? When i remove this i gain some numbers.

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-21 @ 03:48 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	I was able to run some tests on my 486DLC with and without cache enabled. Bus set at 8 MHz, and RAM set at 3 WS. Slow, but safe settings. Resuts before and after as follows. Cyrix 486DLC L1 disabled ---> L1 enabled Landmark ALU, 86 ---> 129 (50% improvement) FPU, 174 --->185 (6% improvement) Speedsys 9.64 ---> 10.52 (9% improvement) 3Dbench 15.6 ---> 17.5 (12% improvement) I suspect that the L1 cache isn't being utilised to its full ability. When I plugged in a Ti486SXL w/8KB of cache, these scores stayed the same. I probably need one of those cache enabling Cyrix interposer boards. By the way, the autoexec.bat command I use with the program I attached is: C:\cyrix.exe -e -i1 -f -r I should probably also run some AMD 386-40 tests to see where the scores come in at.... Edit, and I have done just that. Here are the scores for an AMD 386DX-40 in the same computer. AMD 386DX-40 ---> Cyrix 486DLC-40 w/1KB L1 enabled Landmark ALU, 61 ---> 129 (111% improvement) FPU, 140 ---> 185 (32% improvement) Speedsys 6.84 ---> 10.52 (54% improvement) 3Dbench 13.5 ---> 17.5 (30% improvement) There is an average improvement of 65% when using a Cyrix 486DLC-40 compared to an AMD 386DX-40. If you were getting a Speedsys score of 9.31 with an AMD 386DX-40, imagine what score you'll get with a 486DLC (~14.3)! Expect the 3Dbench score to improve another 20% if using a graphics card better than a Trident, i.e. a Mach64, Cirrus, or Tseng. @Keropi Can you upload a screenshot of your Speedsys which indicated a score of 9.31 on an AMD 386DX-40? I've never seen this high of a score on an AMD 386. Be sure to also have a 40 MHz FPU installed as this will alter the score. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-21 @ 11:09 am
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1988 Location: Greece	@feipoa: I have posted a couple of screens in the thread were I ask help to setup the machine: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=32072 , the cpu scores 9.30 and because I had problems (related to 0ws on vram that was a no-go) I did test the 2nd mobo too and got the same score... sadly I don't own a 387DX fpu... If you have any comments on the help thread by all means post! edit: here is a pic from said thread after tweaking the memory waitstates in bios: the cirus memory is slower now after I jumpered it to 1WS to avoid problems _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-21 @ 09:10 pm
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	I just can't figure how a 386DX-40 is getting a 9.30 unless speedsys is artificually raising the score when no FPU is installed. What result do you get in the Landmark Benchmark? _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 01:32 am
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1988 Location: Greece	didn't run Landmark feipoa , can you post your version here? _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 05:10 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	Unfortunately I did not find a license agreement and cannot publically upload it. It is just the very common Landmark v2.0. The file is speed.exe. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 05:55 am
DonutKing Oldbie Joined: 2008-01-03 Posts: 1383	See a few posts down in this thread: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.p...;start=360 Speedsys on my 386DX40 gives me 5.85 with an i387DX installed, and this goes up to 9.2 when the 387 is removed. I can only presume that speedsys performs different tests when it detects an FPU . _________________ If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble.

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 06:38 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	DonutKing, thanks for verifying this theory. Keropi, you should probably source and put in an FPU to yield more comparable Speedsys results. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 10:09 am
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1988 Location: Greece	so speedsys is not a great comparison tool after all, right? _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-22 @ 11:15 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	Like most other software, it has not been 100% perfected. I think you should just source a 40 MHz Cyrix FasMath FPU. I recently scored one on eBay for $0.99 + $5 shipping, which is better than CPU-world prices. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-25 @ 03:13 am
Seaside Newbie Joined: 2010-05-31 Posts: 32 Location: Athens,GREECE	6.39 on DX40 with Cyrix 83D8740GP 40MHz FPU. 9.31 when removed. I saw some Cyrix + versions FPU with 8KB cache. I wonder if those would give any speed boost.

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2012-4-25 @ 04:59 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1547 Location: Canada	Do you have a link? What is the part number and what do they look like? _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2013-1-31 @ 02:19 am
kixs Newbie Joined: 2013-01-31 Posts: 27	Hello! Can someone help identify this motherboard from this not good partial picture? It seems it has support for 30 and 72-pin SIMMs - never seen this before on 386 mobo. The CPU is 486DLC-40 and I'm wondering if there is a FPU in the lower left corner? It isn't much to go on... but this is all I got for now. I'm thinking on buying this PC. The seller is really slow with pictures and not really good with the camera Thanks

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2013-1-31 @ 04:49 am
Anonymous Coward Oldbie Joined: 2008-03-20 Posts: 913 Location: Shandong, China	I think I've seen this one on TH99 before. From what I recall it can support an obscene amount of memory for a 386...128MB if memory is correct. Of course you only have 128kb cache, so I don't know how useful having all that memory would be. You are correct about the FPU being present. It appears to be one made by IIT. I've never used a 386 board with a UMC chipset, but I'm sure it's pretty decent as far as late model 386 boards go. By the way, 72-pin SIMM slots on a 386 board is very rare...but good! _________________ Will the highways on the internets become more few? My Ultimate XT

	Re: Some questions about 2 386DX-40 mobos :: 2013-1-31 @ 05:50 am
luckybob Oldbie Joined: 2009-04-30 Posts: 925	i'd buy it from that picture. _________________ It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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