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	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-13 @ 01:29 pm
Mau1wurf1977 l33t Joined: 2010-08-27 Posts: 4175 Location: Australia	Agreed _________________ Ultimate GOG.com DOSBox Tutorial 3!h MT-32 Tutorial Roland vs Yamaha General MIDI DOS Games...Comparison

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-13 @ 02:05 pm
Malik The Legend Joined: 2004-04-10 Posts: 1755 Location: Malaysia	Do not underestimate the power of ISA slots and its' audio cards when it comes to DOS gaming. _________________ SB Dos Drivers

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-13 @ 02:11 pm
keropi the dangerous Joined: 2003-09-08 Posts: 1990 Location: Greece	^ agreed 101% _________________ --> Roland CM-32L wanted , click me for AmiBay ad!

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-15 @ 03:47 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	I just got the motherboard. I might get some time tonight to try it. The FSB settings look pretty easy, and 83MHz is listed.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-15 @ 06:32 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	It's alive! Current Specs: Pentium 133 ATC-5030 Socket 7 motherboard with 512k Cache (430TX) 4mb SiS 6326 PCI Video Card 20GB Seagate IDE HDD 256MB PC133 SD-RAM DVD/RW IDE (pretty new) ATX Case (pretty new too) There is nothing else in it just yet. Windows 98se is currently installing! I've also just found my boxed copies of Half Life 1 (going to need to upgrade the CPU and video card to really play this) and Starcraft 1. I was also able to purchase a Pentium 233MMX off ebay from the US for a good price, that might take awhile to get here though. Once everything is running I will do some benchmarks with some different video cards and CPUs. The hardest part was finding non-80pin IDE cables without a blanking pin.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-15 @ 10:13 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	It looks like one of my Voodoo 2s might be dead Windows 98 crashes straight after boot with it installed. I have tested my other one and it looks okay.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-15 @ 10:52 am
SquallStrife Cheesy retro-ambience Joined: 2010-02-06 Posts: 1410	mwdmeyer wrote: The hardest part was finding non-80pin IDE cables without a blanking pin. I gave up on that. Now I just use new cables, with small drill bit (~1mm) and a steady hand! _________________ VogonsDrivers.com \| Link \| News Thread [retro swim] \| Link \| Release Thread What the hell are you talking about, Max? Sam, either termites are burrowing through my skull, or one of us is ticking...

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-16 @ 11:56 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Good idea SquallStrife, I might try this. My HDD is running in PIO mode, so I suspect I need to replace the cable anyway. It looks like my other Voodoo 2 is having issues now I'm getting graphical artifacting in 3d games. Going to hook up and fan and see if it is a heat problem, but the Voodoo isn't hot to touch. Admittedly I've never used this cards since purchasing them, Voodoo 2s aren't cheap on ebay either.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-16 @ 12:35 pm
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Oh and here are some benchmarks before the Voodoo started to die. Quake 3 Demo Timedemo DEMO001 - 640x480 Default Settings for Voodoo Pentium 133MHz: ~9fps Pentium 166MMX: ~10.5fps 3DMark 2000 Pentium 133MHz: N/A Pentium 166MMX: 378 3D marks

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-3-16 @ 03:01 pm
Jorpho l33t Joined: 2003-02-14 Posts: 2773 Location: Canada	I didn't know you could run 3DMark 2000 at all on a machine with those specs. Wouldn't 3DMark 99 make more sense?

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-11 @ 11:34 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Probably but I've only got 2000. I put a GeForce MX 4000 card in it and got 15fps! The HW t&l seems to help somewhat.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-11 @ 01:42 pm
ux-3 Oldbie Joined: 2004-05-12 Posts: 555	How much did you pay for that 233MMX w/o shipment? The MX4000 is a very weak card, BUT all these benches will be mainly cpu-benchmarks in your setup. I would cross check the voodoos in another board. Maybe it is the mobo that is dying, or the PSU can't handle the drain from the voodoos? _________________ Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-12 @ 11:11 pm
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	The Pentium 233MMX was $US12. The one I was bidding on in Australia went for $50! The ATC motherboard doesn't seem to like anything faster than 166MHz though. I suspect a bios update would help, but i haven't done that yet. Yes the MX4000 is a pretty crappy card by todays standards but it is faster than a Geforce 2 MX (just!) which is serious overkill for a Pentium 1. The reason for the MX4000 was because it was the only easy Geforce PCI video card I could get! I full Geforce 4 MX 440 or something would be nicer, but the MX4000 seems to work well and should be at least 2-3 times faster than a Voodoo 2. In fact at 1024x768 it still gets 15fps on the Pentium 1! I doubt a faster video card would make any difference. Even the Voodoo 2 is limited, but I wanted to see how much Hardware T&L helped in Quake 3. Unfortunately I cannot get 3dmark 2000 to run, it just crashes to the desktop, might need to reinstall windows as it is full of Voodoo drivers etc. The MX4000 in a fast PC gets about 50fps in 1024x768 in Quake 3. With a Pentium 233MMX I suspect the MX4000 would get around 18fps. I will test the Voodoo's in another PC. Even if they were dead I wouldn't through them out.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-13 @ 09:34 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1550 Location: Canada	Nice build. I did a similar build recently using a 430TX board (found here: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=31525), although I used only a single PC100 64 MB DIMM since the cacheable limit of the 430TX board is only up to 64 MB. So if you are booting into Windows 9X w/256 MB RAM, you need to use up the first 192 MB of your RAM (this 192 MB is not being cached) before you can cache the remaining 64 MB. You'd get the most benefit by dropping your total RAM down to 64 MB. A single stick of 64 MB is sufficient for memory interleaving since it should have at least 4 banks on the stick, so you don't need to worry about finding 2x32 MB sticks. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-13 @ 09:49 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Funny you say that. I just picked up an SiS 5598 based board and a Cyrix MII-333 just installing that now. Looks like the 5598 has 128mb max for caching ram. I'm going to try 64mb in the 430TX to see if that makes any difference. I never knew about this cache ram limit until this year!

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-13 @ 08:08 pm
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1550 Location: Canada	CPUMark99 is great for showing performance changes in Windows when all RAM is cached. The score almost doubles when all RAM is cacheable. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-14 @ 02:33 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	This is interesting. I haven't been able to find a 64mb stick of ram yet, but I dropped the Pentium 166MMX down to 128mb from 256mb and I was able to get about 18.5FPS in Quake 3. So that is a surprising increase! I'll need to track down 64mb!

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-14 @ 02:41 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Alright. I found a 64mb stick! Quake 3 demo001 now gets 20.5FPS! Pentium 166MMX 64mb SDRAM Geforce MX 4000 PCI Wow dropping the ram really increased the Quake speed. I wasn't expecting such a difference.

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-14 @ 03:28 am
feipoa Oldbie Joined: 2011-03-07 Posts: 1550 Location: Canada	What do you get for Quake 2 timedemo 1 at 640x480 w/8-bit off? Software and OpenGL scores. _________________ The Ultimate 686 Benchmark Comparison The Ultimate 486 Benchmark Comparison Cyrix 5x86 Register Enhancements The Worlds Fastest 486

	Re: I'm building a Socket 7 PC :: 2012-4-14 @ 04:09 am
mwdmeyer Member Joined: 2012-03-06 Posts: 107 Location: Sydney, Australia	Alright I'll do that benchmark later today. Is there anything special to turn 8bit off or is it just an option? I'm just trying out my new Cyrix system. 3D performance is pretty awful! Wasn't able to get the Geforce MX 4000 going, I suspect the onboard video was causing issues. Cyrix MII 333 (3.5x75MHz FSB so about 266MHz) SiS 5598 Chipset (2-4mb onboard video) 128mb Ram Voodoo II Quake 3 640x486 Default Voodoo Settings: 9.5FPS. EDIT: The Cyrix does feel faster in Windows than the Pentium 166 though.

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