SquallStrife wrote:

jwt27 wrote:

Also, was cleaning a Model M today which made me recall another problem with these keyboards: you can't take them apart completely unlike every* other keyboard. Makes proper cleaning (especially inbetween and inside the key barrels) very difficult.

Wha? http://goo.gl/RsccvP

Yes, you can remove the keys and covers but the actual keyboard is still held together by plastic rivets. I know you can replace these with bolts or screws... but not if you want to keep it in original condition. I guess I could just wash it like this but I'm afraid water will get stuck in the key barrels and inbetween the membranes.

Hey jwt27, long time, no see! 😀

Hey Rich, how are you doing? 😀
Did you beat my pinball scores yet? 🤣

Err, let's stay on topic..
What's wrong scroll wheels, exactly? I really miss 'em whenever I use a mouse without one.

MaxWar wrote:

Ok, its not really old school but Ive started using one of these last year and honestly, gotta be my favourite keyboard evar. ht […]
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Ok, its not really old school but Ive started using one of these last year and honestly, gotta be my favourite keyboard evar.

Great keyboard, i'm using one right now to type this. Bought it a little while back for £1 from carbootsale! 😀

Got another Model M 1931401 today (and a box full of terminal Model Ms for spare parts).
This is the USA model however, the other ones I have are made in UK. It's a bit heavier, the key feel is quite different, and it has a white key barrel plate made of a softer kind of plastic. It's so soft I can actually peel the rivets off with my finger nails, and needless to say some of them got loose already... Guess this is a nice candidate to try the "bolt mod" on.

MaxWar wrote:

Ok, its not really old school but Ive started using one of these last year and honestly, gotta be my favourite keyboard evar. ht […]
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Ok, its not really old school but Ive started using one of these last year and honestly, gotta be my favourite keyboard evar.

I used to use those all the time in high school. Hated them with a passion. 🤣

RacoonRider wrote:

Mitsumi Classic. Still found new in some stores. http://www.c3000.ru/autocatalog/keyboards_mit … draft_large.jpg

Currently my ONLY at keyboard, used in an office for from 97-2007 daily. Has to be THE mushiest keyboard I have ever used. That and the venerable 3 button serial/ps2 Mouseman are my setup. Not to bad! The mouseman has to be the nicest ball mouse I have ever used.

jwt27 wrote:

Hey Rich, how are you doing? 😀 Did you beat my pinball scores yet? 🤣

Doing quite well 😀 Hehe, not yet on some of those scores <grin>.

jwt27 wrote:

Err, let's stay on topic.. What's wrong scroll wheels, exactly? I really miss 'em whenever I use a mouse without one.

I use the middle mouse button for quite a few things, not of least to mention, for gaming. Although a mouse wheel does indeed have a middle mouse button "click" feature, it just doesn't feel the same to me. Not to mention, most mouse wheels are fairly hard to depress, compared to a regular middle mouse button.

ODwilly wrote:

That and the venerable 3 button serial/ps2 Mouseman are my setup. Not to bad! The mouseman has to be the nicest ball mouse I have ever used.

As I posted about previously, agreed 100%! 😀

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I have a Logitech Mouseman Pro serial/PS2 that I have literally used as my primary mouse since 1996-1997... the ONLY mouse that I've ever used since I first bought it back then.

That mouse has the BEST "feel" to it and the most sensitive and easy to push buttons of ANY mouse that I've ever used before. It ALSO is the absolute BEST tracking ball mouse KNOWN TO MAN!

I would kill for an optical serial/PS2 version of that mouse, as none of the new-fangled mice (including the high-end "gaming" mice) "feels" as nice and comfortable to me. Plus, I DETEST mouse wheels, simply prefering a regular 3-button mouse.

I've been using the same mouse since 1998 without interruption. It has the best feel of any mouse I've used at work or elsewhere. For a trackball mouse, it has fantastic precision. I have toyed with the idea of retro fitting it with some optical PS/2 PCB, but this is low on my priority list. I own 4 or 5 different incarnations of this mouse. There was the PS/2-Serial laptop version of the mouse with a shorty cord. That mouse is a dark grey. There is a long cord PS/2-serial version that is white, like in your photo. There is the standard PS/2-only Compaq and Dell units. There is also the white serial-only version. I have 'em all.

Used that same Logitech mouse back in the day, still have it lying in the drawer. Can't see myself going back to mechanical mice though, and the lack of a mouse wheel would be annoying as well.

As far as keyboards go, I did use the MS Natural at one point, but it might have been a variety with "standard" arrow keys.

Were there any keyboards with the Model M layout but using the Model F-style mechanism (slightly lighter-feeling switches, capacitive contacts instead of membranes)? I seem to recall reading about a few clone keyboards like that but no specific models.

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I've been using a QPAD MK-80 with MX Blue switches, absolutely fallen in love with the feel of this keyboard. I used to have an IBM Model M, but it needs to be repaired.

I've yet to find a mouse, however. I need a serial mouse, so gonna look up mice mentioned in this thread.

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PeterLI wrote:

For nostalgia I am very happy with my Philips P2814 keyboard. Works fine from 8086 all the way to i7.

Is it just me or does it really have a gnarled spacebar?

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I have a Logitech Mouseman Pro serial/PS2 that I have literally used as my primary mouse since 1996-1997... the ONLY mouse that I've ever used since I first bought it back then.

That mouse has the BEST "feel" to it and the most sensitive and easy to push buttons of ANY mouse that I've ever used before. It ALSO is the absolute BEST tracking ball mouse KNOWN TO MAN!

I would kill for an optical serial/PS2 version of that mouse, as none of the new-fangled mice (including the high-end "gaming" mice) "feels" as nice and comfortable to me. Plus, I DETEST mouse wheels, simply prefering a regular 3-button mouse.

I agree with this, except I had the Wingman Gamer mouse which is essentially the same thing, but it's gray and it's USB/PS2. I used it up till about a year ago when I decided I needed an optical mouse for detail work in Photoshop. I still love my Wingman Gamer, though and I have replaced the button micro-switches a couple times with softer-click switches. (originally so people wouldn't be so likely to notice the loud click when I'm up at 3am, 🤣)

And I have always loved my IBM KB-9910.

I had a Logitech MouseMan Plus bear-claw style mouse around the turn of the century, although mine was gray. I think my hand was just too big for it to be a comfortable fit for me. I liked their more curved and higher backed mice better.

DonutKing wrote:

I was using an IBM Model M on my DOS rigs but the noise and the heavy keypress action isn't really to my taste for gaming.

I use an IBM Model M for my main rig - typing this very posting on it. For a mouse, even though it's not really oldschool - well, it probably is now - an Intellimouse Explorer, the very first model.

does this work?

I'm still using a wireless PS2 ball mouse made by A4Tech. I've tried to replace it with wireless USB optical mice, because the feet are coming loose and I kind of wanted one with extra buttons, but I can't find one I like.

First of all, why are all the mice today designed to fit a 5 year old's hand??? Did everyone's hands shrink when I wasn't looking? Second, all the optical mice I've tried are too sensitive. It's impossible to precisely position the pointer because the tiniest, incidental movement of the mouse, which wouldn't be enough to register in a ball mouse, makes the pointer jitter. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem in Windows, but it's really annoying when you're trying to position it right on a specific pixel in a game and it seems to have a mind of its own.

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