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http://aybabtu.com/rmh/wined3d/
http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2940#comment:1
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAyNA
http://wiki.winehq.org/WineD3DOnWindows
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15436

WineD3D is the component of Wine that implements a replacement for Microsoft Direct3D. WineD3D works as a wrapper for Direct3D c […]
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WineD3D is the component of Wine that implements a replacement for Microsoft Direct3D. WineD3D works as a wrapper for Direct3D calls, and relies on OpenGL for the actual rendering job.

Although primarily designed for use in Wine, WineD3D can also be used on native Windows. This has a number of advantages over using Microsoft Direct3D:

* You're free to use it for any purpose, study what it does, modify it to suit your needs, or share it with your friends.
* It can implement versions of Direct3D for Windows versions that Microsoft doesn't want to support (e.g. d3d10 on XP).
* Since it relies on OpenGL, it can provide Direct3D without need for specific D3D drivers (notably, on VMs like VirtualBox or QEMU).

- Ensure OpenGL support is available and working in your Windows guest - Download, onto your Windows guest, the latest version o […]
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- Ensure OpenGL support is available and working in your Windows guest
- Download, onto your Windows guest, the latest version of WineD3D from: http://aybabtu.com/rmh/wined3d/
- Reboot in safe mode and run the installer (this is important, otherwise WineD3D may fail to install)
- Reboot back into regular mode

Heard about this today. Haven't tried it out yet.

Looks like since it wraps to OGL if you plan on using it in a VM then you'll need hardware OGL support in the VM (which VirtualBox supplies).

I'm wondering how well it works on the host as well.

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Reply 5 of 12, by DosFreak

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Yeah, it's really frustrating having VM products that support acceleration.....but no 9x support or this open source wrapper....that has no 9x support.

heh. At least Swiftshader supports 9x....(but it's only for DX8/9)

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Reply 6 of 12, by temptingthelure

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So, in simple words, what does this do? Does it allow windows guest systems in a virtual environment to have Direct3D natively? Does it need a windows host system to work? That would sort of defeat the purpose, wouldnt it? Im waiting for a solution that bring opengl native support for LINUX guests with a Windows host. That would really be something. Why is that so difficult to get working?

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Reply 7 of 12, by DosFreak

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http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-announc … rch/000013.html

OpenGL 3d acceleration for Linux guests

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Reply 8 of 12, by ih8registrations

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In simple words it gives partial directx to virtual machines. It's a wrapper translating directx calls to opengl calls. The host only needs opengl. As dosfreak has pointed out, there is opengl for linux guests.

Reply 9 of 12, by temptingthelure

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ih8registrations wrote:

In simple words it gives partial directx to virtual machines. It's a wrapper translating directx calls to opengl calls. The host only needs opengl. As dosfreak has pointed out, there is opengl for linux guests.

Ah , k. But, is opengl support 100% working? I read around the web, that it's only partial, and 3d is very slow on linux guests. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Reply 10 of 12, by DosFreak

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It likely is slow...depending on the hardware. Alot of times people test VM products on laptops, The overhead of running a VM, low amount of memory on host/guest, slow disk drive and a crappy video card don't help.

With a fast desktop computer, disk drive, memory, video card, and processor I'm sure OGL acceleration in Linux using VirtualBox would be 70-80% of the performance of the host.

Haven't bothered to do any tests with Virtualbox OGL acceleration but I have played around with software rendering and swiftshader in VM's and they were suprisingly faster than I thought they would be. Nowhere near playable for newer games though, whereas this VirtualBox OGL acceleration should be.

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Reply 12 of 12, by DosFreak

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WineD3D possibly to be included with VirtualBox:

http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/3904

Our current plan is to include WineD3D in the additions ISO. However I do agree that it would be nice for people to be able to easily install a new build from the WineD3D site.

To achieve the latter is quite simple as we're only talking about a bunch of user dlls.

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